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Student group objects to memorial

Anarchy protest raises concerns for student government

VOLANTE ASSISTANT NEWS EDITOR

Published: Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Updated: Friday, April 23, 2010 13:04

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JOSIE CLAREY, THE VOLANTE, 2010

Craig Evenson, Iraqi Freedom South Dakota Army National Guard veteran, sets up the veteran’s memorial at Old Main Sunday.

As part of their protest to military operations in foreign countries, a student organization displayed signs in front of the veteran flag memorial behind Old Main Tuesday afternoon.

Students Against the State, a university anarchy group that started last November, displayed upside-down American flags in the ground at the memorial. Their two posters read, “U.S Forces have killed more civilians than all ‘terrorist’ actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, now multiply that by 157, that’s how many civilians have been killed because of U.S. Action (over 850,000).”

The group’s mission is to educate and advocate the ideals of anarchy.
SATS officer and freshman Patrick Linsenmeyer said the organization brought their own flags to add to the memorial as part of their protest.

Linsenmeyer, who made and set up the posters, said he did not speak to anyone from the administration about displaying the posters and was using his student right to be on campus and protest however he wants.

“We saw the display for veterans and thought the Iraqi civilians should have a say too,” Linsenmeyer said. “Obviously both groups aren’t very cohesive. As an anarchist, I am against military occupations in other countries.”

Leighann Dunn, a military veteran, said the action was disrespectful to those that have passed away overseas and to the Student Government Association since they co-sponsored the display.

“As a veteran, it’s disheartening and hurts to know some kids don’t have respect for those that have died for their freedom,” said Dunn, who helped put the memorial together. “Regardless of whether you believe in the war or not, it doesn’t matter.”

SGA President Tim Carr said SGA is in the process of investigating what took place, why it happened and hopes to prevent something like this from happening again. He said it’s upsetting to see something like this happen.

“It’s misguided in my opinion to vandalize flags that represent people who died so the people vandalizing the flags can have the rights to make their opinions heard,” Carr said.

Dunn said with new student organizations being approved by SGA and emerging on campus, she is seeing that they don’t know how to conduct themselves
professionally.

“There needs to be some more guidelines,” Dunn said.

Dunn said an e-mail would have worked well, like with last year’s altercation with the Secular Student Alliance about the Christian-based portion of the veteran display.

“This group took it way to far and beyond what was necessary,” Dunn said. “I agree in freedom of speech but don’t disrespect those individuals that have fought for your freedom.”

Reach reporter TJ Jerke at Tyler.Jerke@usd.edu.

 

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41 comments

Anonymous
Mon May 24 2010 21:43
I like how LTO the anarchist that criticizes someone for not giving him credit for his own words uses 1 Corinthians 13:11 from the bible and states its source is unknown. lol
Anonymous
Mon May 3 2010 16:49
Cole,
You do realize that you are doing precisely the things you accuse others of doing to you, right? Honestly, you have got to start thinking before you act.
Cole Heisey
Mon May 3 2010 15:42
All of you ironically revert to ad hominem attacks, which remains very childish in deed. You wish not to attack arguments but instead appeal to emotions and passions. It is a sure way to identify both incompetence and desperation. If you wish to engage in any sort of debate regarding the issues I invite and applaud you in doing so. But do not sit here generalizing the character of our actions and claiming to be morally or intellectually superior when you remain neither. Your knowledge of anarchical tenets remains in a wholly ignorant state. Perhaps, try typing "anarchy" into the google bar and engage in 10 minutes of reading so you may address arguments and assertions of substance, instead of insensible nonsense. Also, the assumptions made about the character of the members involved and those of the group remain fallacious.
Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 20:17
The only thing I have to comment about is what another "poster" already stated. They made a political statement at a memorial that was not political. I honestly think this was exactly the reaction these childish individuals wanted. They wanted unrest. They wanted a scandal to get their name out there so they can attract others to their group who feel they don't fit in the main streams of society.
4x Vet
Tue Apr 27 2010 02:25
Craig, there is nothing wrong with putting what you learn into practice. I believe that is the purpose of an education. Like you, I fully respect Patrick's right to his opinion. The most I can do for him is to show the fallacies that his opinions are based upon in the hope that he can form a conclusion based on accurate assumptions. The problem I see with Mr. Emmanual's article is that, when writing from a position of authority (even an assumed one), there must be some form of "ethical rightness" and accuracy with the article. Mr. Emmanual's article has neither. Comparing Soldiers to terrorists is neither ethically correct nor accurate. We could take his argument further and show that since some Native Americans are Soldiers, they are therefore terrorists. We both know that this is completely false. We both also realize that in any conflict, regardless if it is between nations, political parties, or students; there will be innocent people that are caught in the crossfire. What happened to Dr. Swan is testament to that fact. I know people on both sides, having deployed with you (the ACC for 66) and having class with some of the SATS students. I don't like to, but to ensure that my wife and children are not "caught in the crossfire" like Dr. Swan, I have resorted to using this moniker. If you would like to chat with me more about this, stop me on campus or shoot me an email.
Craig Evenson
Tue Apr 27 2010 01:37
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! meant to write that Patrick is not seeing the entire picture! My gosh, that sounded horrible! I'm sorry, I hope this statement makes it straight.
Craig Evenson
Tue Apr 27 2010 00:34
You're right Vet, it's just one of those things, I'm not gonna lie, I am similar to Mr. Linsenmeyer, when I learn something I want to put it into practice. I do have vastly different experiences from Patrick. I think you understand the term "that's one bloody flag" just as I do, it's a very angering thing. Go figure, fallacies are always about the statements, but the legitimacy of a statement becomes a very divisive topic. In this case, it does not look like Patrick is seeing the entire picture. Also, you and I are "part of the problem", thank god for this great nation we were! I will continue to be, and I would wish you to be with me since I see your straight shooting views. I think that Mr. Linsenmeyer has a right to free speech, I and yourself have put our lives on the line in defense of that, and will willingly do it again in a heart beat. I just wish he could post his opinions in a mature manner.

Thank you for your information, it was correct and I like to hear it, I would like to hear more in the future. Also, please review my defense of Dr. Swan in this next edition of the Volante, Patrick caused his a lot of trouble.

4x Vet
Tue Apr 27 2010 00:05
Craig, I always thought that ad hominem was a valid legal defense. Isn't that why we don't have convicted sex offenders as experts in child rape cases, or does this fall under something else? You're farther in the legal realm than I am, so I will take your word for it. Besides, we can discuss this in a different forum. I think Artemis may be confusing their logic. The biggest fallacy I found in the article and the following comments was a reductio ad absurdum (assumption shown to imply a false conclusion). Patrick gives us a perfect example of this when he claims that 850,000 people have died since the US went to war, therefore the Soldiers are to blame for the 850,000 deaths. Since Artemis is fond of Goethe, I'll leave with another quote from him, "freedom and life are earned by those that willfully fight for it."
Craig Evenson
Mon Apr 26 2010 23:11
Artemis, you're trying to use the same talk and garbage that I would have looked to use in my first year logic courses. Apparently everything in your world other than your opinion is Ad Hominem or one of the of the other seven fallacies, or a part of some corporate scheme of destroying the very underpinnings of American society. Good work. I just can't believe your comments, you're plenty free to have them, that's what I put my life on the line for, but I just plain don't agree with you. My name is Craig Evenson, what's yours?
Leighann Dunn
Sat Apr 24 2010 14:26
I am encouraging people to write a letter to President James Abbott. You can reach him by emailing his secretary at susan.ritter@usd.edu

If you would like to contact the Veterans Club we can be reached at vetsclub@usd.edu

In the words of Toby Keith
Fri Apr 23 2010 16:07
Toby Keith-
And I will always do my duty
No matter what the price
I've counted up the cost
I know the sacrifice
Oh and I don't wanna die for you
But if dying's asked of me
I'll bear that cross with honor
Cause Freedom don't come Free

I'm an American soldier
An American
Beside my brothers and my sisters
I will proudly take a stand
When liberty's in jeopardy
I'll always do what's right
I'm out here on the front line
sleep in peace tonight
American soldier
I'm an American soldier

Artemis
Thu Apr 22 2010 23:06
Lets set up the facts: Firstly, students put signs along the flags representing fallen soldiers. These posters gave statistics regarding the civilian casualties inflicted by U.S. involvement in the area. They are obviously opposed to the trend of honoring American soldiers all the while leaving out victim civilian populations. So, in a shock and awe campaign, erected questionable signs. They have every right to do this and very well should, if in fact it remains their view. Americanism, patriotism, nationalism, is all a farce to keep you controlled and domesticated. This is a world of people, not nations. Unfortunately today, a world run by the corporations and nations seem to be the enforcing arm of these organizations. It is completely justified to protest the war in which the soldiers represent. American imperialism is a reality prevalent today and those soldiers directly or indirectly support it. Power, force, and violence is what the military propagates along with a general mistrust for your fellow man. The country was founded on the principle of freedom, democracy, independent citizenship etc... but these concepts are bygone abstractions today. It is no longer a fight for freedom and democracy, but instead one of power and control on the part of economic interests. I will finish with Goetho, "none are more helplessly enslaved, than those who falsely believe they are free".
Artemis
Thu Apr 22 2010 23:03
I want to also add name calling is in fact a sure sign of desperation. A fallacy called ad hominem, in which one appeals to the emotions and passions instead of reason. What was done was not immature or childish. It is simply something so removed from your life world that it it out of your comprehension. In your world, America is great, the individuals dyeing for it remain heros, freedom, democracy is what is expounded and upheld by the actions of the soldiers. In the view of anarchists however, military action and occupation is an evil not worth supporting or respecting. Violence etc... is a very very bad thing that cannot be justified. It is not that they are childish and immature but simply coming from a completely different perspective, differing from yours. I bet they are sitting laughing at you and calling you childish for bouts of anger and hatred directed towards their efforts.
LT O
Thu Apr 22 2010 22:47
To Born in America: First off, I would like to thank you for the honor of using my previous posting, "not everyone born in America is American," as your heading. If you like I can get you the name of the person that actually authored it. Second: The article above states to the contrary that you did "display upside down American flags in the ground." Who's lying, I'd like to know? You or the author? Additionally, you complain that everyone is belittling you without offering advice. My boy, to act without thinking and placing blame on others is the way of a child. To take responsibility for your actions and the consequences that those actions might bring is for the grown-ups.
"When I was a child I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." -unk
If you need another lesson on responsibility, ask a soldier. They've lived it.
4x Vet
Thu Apr 22 2010 22:39
Patrick,
Let's take a look at your last comment. " I also do not appreciate it that you continue to belittle me and offer no advice." Throughout the comments section I noticed that your organization, without justification or proof, has called the Soldiers everything from terrorists to war criminals. "finally, it is absolutely unfair to blame me for what some deranged individuals did ", once again, blaming Soldiers for the actions of deranged individuals IS unfair. I sincerely hope that you are beginning to see the hypocrisy of your statements.
Born in "America" not American
Thu Apr 22 2010 21:03
I think you are misinformed. I did not defame any property. As a student I have the right to protest without permission, just not to set up permanent signs. I was standing there watching the two signs, which is hardly different then holding them myself (totally within school guild lines). I also do not appreciate it that you continue to belittle me and offer no advice. finally, it is absolutely unfair to blame me for what some deranged individuals did to Professor Swan's fence. I apologized to him for putting the group name on the signs, that was a dumb mistake.
Proud American
Thu Apr 22 2010 20:45
Patrick,
You are an idiot, do you not recognize that your protest was political and the memorial was not??? Hmmm I think you should re-evaluate. And what postiveness has come about your actions? Nothing you brought dishonor to this University and negativness. You still don't understand that at a University you have to have permission to do these protests. So do the right thing and the adult thing and get permission. I think that is the biggest issue everyone has. You acted out against a peaceful memorial and defamed public property. The people who removed your signs had every right to do so off the display. You are barking up the wrong tree little boy and I suggest you appologize for what you did to the memorial. As stated in the article, you could have had your own protest away from the memorial if you had permission. Furthermore, your club advisor now has seen damage to his house because of what you did and created. You should appologize to him for acting out as a member of the club, because regardless you wore the club shirt and put the club logo on the posters. Therefor, you are to blame! I hope you make your parents proud!
Patrick
Thu Apr 22 2010 20:23
I am very open to suggestions on ways to protest that may have a larger impact.
Anonymous that called me an idiot: it seems we have similar views but different methods. I would gladly work with you if you have productive suggestions. Otherwise I will have to stand by what I did, and continue to do it in the future. I am greatly disturbed by the level of complacency in the school community, and hope only that my demonstrations might positively change this in the future. I am aware that it might be harmful, but it does not seem worth the risk to do nothing.
Anonymous
Thu Apr 22 2010 19:43
To the veteran who posted below:
I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that soldiers are forced to go to war. While you did not choose to invade Iraq, you made the conscious decision to join the military, the primary function of which is fighting wars. I have worked in food-service for four years and have taken on massive student loan debt to go to college. While the military would have made going to college much cheaper for me, I decided not to because I disagree with its purpose. This was the choice I made and I don't blame you for the choice you made. However, I don't believe one can separate the actions of the soldier from those of the military as a whole. At its most basic level, the military is a group of individual people making individual choices. Please don't take this as a slight of your service. I believe you acted with the best of intentions, however, I feel those intentions were misguided.
Anonymous
Thu Apr 22 2010 18:55
I am a veteran of the Iraq war and have served more than 10 years in the army. I joined the military as a high school student because my parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I didn't join because I wanted to go to war. I thought it would be a good way to serve my community and get a better education at the same time. I did not choose to go to Iraq - I chose to try to get a better life by going to college. The military was a means to an end at a time when war was never a consideration.

As a Soldier, as a person, and as a christian, my heart breaks every time I hear about the unnecessary death of another person and every time I hear about the number of deaths in Iraq my heart breaks into a million pieces all over again. When I was deployed, I did not agree with our invasion of Iraq and I was completely against the war. It wasn't until I got there and realized what we could do to help these people overcome the harsh lives they were dealing with everyday, did I realize I belonged there. Looking back on my time in Iraq...I worked with the locals of my area, I can remember their friendly faces, their gifts of food and homemade items and their constant thanks. I specifically remember an interpreter that worked with a neighboring unit who had family members killed because he was helping the U.S. I also recall him returning to the base after his other family members insisted he continue with his help. That says a lot about our presence in their country. I also visited schools, with gifts for the children and regularly returned to my base with an armful of crafts and pictures the children drew and/or made for myself and my fellow comrades. Other Soldiers in my area returned to these same schools to wire their classrooms with electricity, replace broken windows/doors. We provided school supplies and play ground equipment. We had several interpreters that extended much thanks to us, the American people...not just the American soldier.

Yes, there are people in Iraq that wish we were not there and yes, it may be time for us to leave, but we have provided a great deal to a lot of people there. For starters, we helped them establish a stable government so they weren't being ruled by a tyrant!

One last thought...What a lot of people don't realize is that a great number of deaths in Iraq were caused by there own people! The vast majority of military forces in Iraq at this time are not allowed to run operations off base. So, the Iraqi government is running things and every night on the news, I hear about another attack in the market with another dozen or more people being killed or injured. Our Soldiers are not the one blowing themselves up or ending their children into the market with bombs strapped to their chests!







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